Hold tight. Almost holidays. No time to write. So discuss: Militancy in the women's movement was the inevitable consequence of a default in a tacit Western gender balance contract (i.e. women's accepted roles had little political or economic power, but also small likelihood they and their under-age children would be wholesale slaughtered during martial conflict). The recent and present blurring of traditional Western gender roles is a result of an effort to balance this default and of the self's will to survive rather than a simple civil rights issue.L8ers.
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The term 'societal feminization' is too broad to associate closely to the idea of the female gender (in some insidiously organized fashion?) making a 'power grab' as it also applies to the phenomenon of men allowing themselves to be feminized.
Discuss some more.
Anyways, what do you mean when you talk about the women's movement not heeding the martial values that Enlightenment logic made possible? I think it was an inevitable response to such martial values. Not the notion that women could 'do better', but the notion that women *had* to become involved in the public world because their gender no longer provided even a semblance of physical or social protection.
"What I call "feminization" is another word for "subtle totalitarianism", and what I mean by "totalitarianism" is total "state" control of thought and action."
Wow, you have been hanging around the left wing for too long if you're so willing to let your emotions define your terms! Anyways, you're saying the women's movement was an exploitation of enlightenment logic, and that this exploitation could happen because enlightenment logic got caught between martial values and excessively deadly technology - therefore it had to pussify to stop everybody from killing everybody. Therefore the Western world is wimpified. Yet we still have the martial values (if sat upon) and we still have the technology (if dreaded).
The problem I see with that notion is, where's the 'pure power grabbing' or 'exploitation' in terms of the women's movement when said wimpification created both a power vaccuum and insecure generations of women whose men could no longer even pretend to protect them?
The best way to see if the gender balance contract (political and economic power for safety) existed in the first place would be to look at societies where women had both political and economic power (maybe matrierchal societies?). There are three possibilities:
1 - When such society engages in armed conflict, women are slaughtered mercylessly. In that case, the contract you speak of really existed.
2. If women are mostly spared during wars even in those societies, then there must be other reasons for it - perhaps biological (women are much more valuable when it comes to the survival of a population; men, on the other hand, are quite expendable).
3. Such societies don't go to war. Maybe if a society is ruled by a women, they end up deciding that poking each other with sharp sticks and cutting each other with swords is counter-productive and shouldn't really be done. In that case you should smoke more pot.
Then again, even if the reason for women giving up large chunk of political and economic power wasn't security, it's still possible that women in today's Western society try to gain more power in order to find a new way to assure survival for themselves and for their children.
Johannes, jump back in only after the danger of cramping has passed, but then jump with abandon, soaking all the suckers lounging poolside sipping their 'feminized' little cocktails.
Jiri, all the words that ever come out of you are clever. I don't know if there's ever been a matriarchal society we could use as a test case. Do you? But operating on personal experience, your last paragraph just can't be denied.
Or can it? DUM DUM DUMMMMMMM . . .
Happy holidays, everyone!
I think that the Iroquois or at least some of the Iroquois nations were matriarchal. And Minoans is another group that looks like women held lot of power there. But I don't know...
Maybe we can mount an expedition to Papua New Guinea and see if we can find some matriarchal people there. And then we could provoke a war and see what happens. Hmmm, wait, that would be evil.
Happy holidays!
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